tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post2646657609125453381..comments2024-02-28T23:51:57.118+04:00Comments on Anthromadness: Omotic speakers: Y-DNA & mtDNA dataUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post-58849052875708957122017-11-23T12:04:23.522+04:002017-11-23T12:04:23.522+04:00Some researcher may have named Omotic taking the n...Some researcher may have named Omotic taking the name from the Omo river. It may be a coincidence but the people call themselves "Ommate".<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post-77300746339612850022016-06-18T08:25:17.482+04:002016-06-18T08:25:17.482+04:00It is pretty interesting and confusing, yes. And i...It is pretty interesting and confusing, yes. And it does, for the time being, seem to look like J was tacked onto the Levant and possibly even the Arabian Peninsula later on by peoples with Neolithic Iranian-related ancestry from more northerly areas of West Asia. Whilst E-M35, T & H might've been most of the Levant back during the Neolithic and Epipaleolithic. We'll see with more and more samples in the future. <br /><br />"There probably was a population that mixed with the ancestors of Somalis and other horners and missed the Ari (likely other omotics as well) from further north that in turn possessed a more recent Levant admixture that contained chg."<br /><br />Possibly, yes. Or, particularly in the case of the new elements in Somalis, carried some extra WHG/Villabruna-related admixture that made these new West Eurasians a bit more similar to the Neolithic Anatolian samples. Can't wait until we have these genomes to fiddle with and more and more samples are published. :-)Awale Ismailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15197677144409342318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post-90300101076378438612016-06-18T07:38:41.110+04:002016-06-18T07:38:41.110+04:00Well now I'm actually a bit more confused than...Well now I'm actually a bit more confused than before due to the new study (an awesome study at that). Does it appear that the J haplogroup largely entered Levant much later? If so, how in the world did these Omotics with old school near eastern (likely from neolithic Levant) poses J haplogroup?<br /><br /><br />There probably was a population that mixed with the ancestors of Somalis and other horners and missed the Ari (likely other omotics as well) from further north that in turn possessed a more recent Levant admixture that contained chg. But man that J is really interesting. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17355952126473722196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post-1858887816041554332016-06-10T19:31:21.869+04:002016-06-10T19:31:21.869+04:00Yes, their J*, J1 & J2 has always confused me,...Yes, their J*, J1 & J2 has always confused me, truth be told. I was somewhat always of the opinion that J in general was tacked onto Semitic speaking Afro-Asiatic speakers later rather than being something that was present very early on among AA speakers whom I figured were mostly dominated by E-M35 lineages but these Omotic speakers put some real dents into that. <br /><br />I don't know about other Omotic speakers (Wolaytas aside) but Ari Blacksmiths' West Eurasian ancestry looks very similar to the stuff in Somalis. As in, very "ENF" / "Southwest Asian" looking rather than showing notable signs of "CHG-like" elements which, to me, tends to be a sign of later West Eurasian influences in the region. In fact, their West Eurasian ancestry seems even more "old" than what's in Somalis because Somalis often show notable "Mediterranean" / Anatolian Neolithic/EEF-like elements in various ADMIXTURE runs but Ari Blacksmiths don't tend to (I'm focusing on the Blacksmiths because, unlike the Cultivators, they have extremely little to almost no Somali-like admixture). It, on an autosomal level, looks like real old school Near Eastern ancestry so it's quite strange that their dominant West Eurasian Y-DNA marker is J, I'll be honest.<br /><br />I.e. Check here:<br /><br />https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rcPMeSiOPQA/VErhg-txJdI/AAAAAAAABxk/g9x2aR98N24OIFuXZXmPonwg9t3MYt-uQCKgB/s1600/preview_1533296.jpg<br /><br />At K=5 you'll notice that, like the other Cushitic and Ethiopian Semitic speaking Horn Africans present (+Wolaytas), Somalis show some yellow "European"-like admixture alongside the brown "Arabian" element but the Ari Blacksmiths' West Eurasian elements seem entirely "Arabian" like once the cluster forms at that K. Think this says something about how old their West Eurasian admixture is buuut this is just one Omotic speaking population who may or may not be quite representative of most of the others whose uniparental data is made available in this post. We'll see in due time. :-)<br /><br />But you're roughly right about their language branch, yeah. Omotic split first, basically. As a good linguist friend of mine has explained and I noticed by myself via some papers.Awale Ismailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15197677144409342318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post-77670029918824149832016-06-10T14:35:59.787+04:002016-06-10T14:35:59.787+04:00From the presence of J* I think at least part of t...From the presence of J* I think at least part of the west eurasian like ancestry in some Omotics predates the west Eurasian ancestry in Cushitics/habeshas. And they speak the most divergent languages in the afro asiatic family. <br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17355952126473722196noreply@blogger.com