tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post5910154468636775172..comments2024-02-28T23:51:57.118+04:00Comments on Anthromadness: Just how "African" & "West Eurasian" are Horn Africans like Somalis and Tigrinyas?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post-50438561969744036272020-07-04T04:17:07.742+04:002020-07-04T04:17:07.742+04:00When did somalis arrive in somalia brother becuase...When did somalis arrive in somalia brother becuase there cave painting 5 to 10 k old as i heard<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15771035825580870979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post-74206306652002020702016-06-22T11:15:06.862+04:002016-06-22T11:15:06.862+04:00No, we don't. But our West Eurasian admixture,...No, we don't. But our West Eurasian admixture, for now, fits best with Neolithic Levantines and they seem to be about ~30% Basal Eurasian with the rest seeming to be European Hunter-Gatherer-LIKE ancestry.<br /><br />https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-He8KH5HoUL4/V2SipopvDiI/AAAAAAAAFBY/KiqCB6AK6NIjQXFVoQ18ADphFo2N-PzjQCKgB/s1600/BE.pngAwale Ismailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15197677144409342318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post-11282393026081526012016-06-20T20:55:49.880+04:002016-06-20T20:55:49.880+04:00Do we know how much of the ENF ancestry is compose...Do we know how much of the ENF ancestry is composed of Basal Eurasian and or European Hunter gatherer among Somalis?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post-34010166759191314772016-03-02T18:49:06.055+04:002016-03-02T18:49:06.055+04:00Ibrahim, apologies for the late approval. Anyway, ...Ibrahim, apologies for the late approval. Anyway, I wouldn't confuse myself with services like 23andme or AncestryDNA. AncestryDNA in particular lacks proper Horn region reference samples (if I recall correctly) and thus produces rather funky results for whatever Somali or "Ethiopian" whom they sample and I'm not even sure about the make-up of their "Middle Eastern" cluster (could easily be some "African" there). <br /><br />Just stick to the kinds of results you see via various ADMIXTURE calculators (those in studies and those made by chaps like Davidski over at Eurogenes), formal stats and so on. They're more sound.Awale Ismailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15197677144409342318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post-48531963179552538982016-02-28T18:54:41.518+04:002016-02-28T18:54:41.518+04:00Hi sir i just saw the dna ancestry tet results of ...Hi sir i just saw the dna ancestry tet results of two different Somalis <br />http://dna.ancestry.co.uk/ethnicity/F3BBE527-FFE6-4764-A3D5-AEBC5EEED714/share/01ab8935-d5a6-47c8-9876-22708a76f42e/ba2f5be6-3862-417c-aa4f-bfaf8a61dffc<br /><br />http://dna.ancestry.co.uk/ethnicity/F3BBE527-FFE6-4764-A3D5-AEBC5EEED714/share/01ab8935-d5a6-47c8-9876-22708a76f42e/ba2f5be6-3862-417c-aa4f-bfaf8a61dffc<br />how do you interpret the North African ancestry <br />and if we counted it as a mostly Eurasian component wouldn't that make the total count higher than the 60/40 percentage? Ibrahim Abdullahihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13495155450423069664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post-38927291388561507462016-01-25T19:00:51.953+04:002016-01-25T19:00:51.953+04:00I don't see what the issue is here, my old fri...I don't see what the issue is here, my old friend. I've explained this to you before and we were in agreement. I think you're too fixated on semantics like the term "West Eurasian".<br /><br />I am not using West Eurasian here as some sort of "genetic criterion based term". I.e. "Only European Hunter-Gatherers and/or Ancient North Eurasians count as West Eurasian. Anatolian Neolithics don't count because of Basal Eurasian..." I'm instead using it as a GEOGRAPHIC term. The Near East, discounting Egypt, is a part of West Eurasia:<br /><br />https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/JUoFToprWgcFfQZOwyG-fZI4ce4bDQl88X5Ka0N7om2In8w13tWI25eQ3SvEyafsQCb5=w287-h285-p-no<br /><br />The people who brought this ancestry to the Horn originally back-migrated from West Eurasia = this is ancestry from West Eurasia and most closely associated to modern "West Eurasians" such as Peninsular Arabians, but as I noted in the notes section; the actual "Eurasian" / European Hunter-Gatherer-related element in Horn Africans such as Somalis and the Tigrinya is likely much lower because of Basal Eurasian.<br /><br />I'm merely looking at the term "West Eurasian" as a GEOGRAPHIC term not some peudo-racialist terminology where you have to be part of some "pure line" (shared node between WHG, EHG & ANE for example) to fit. Nearly half of the ancestry in various Maasais is "Northeast African" or "Horn African" (these are principally GEOGRAPHIC terms, and many of their ancestors did come from this region and are most closely associated with many of its current inhabitants) but of course in more detail; "Horn African" in this context is a mixture as well of "East African/Nilo-Saharan-esque ancestry + West Eurasian ancestry" and in Horners' case "West Eurasian" itself is a mixture of what looks to be European Hunter-Gatherer-esque ancestry and Basal Eurasian but I utilize the term "West Eurasian" because:<br /><br />a) There was an obvious back-migration from this region that facilitated the presence of this ancestry in us<br />b) The inhabitants of this region and North Africa, both ancient and modern, are the closest relatives of our "West Eurasian" side<br /><br />Simple as that. You're making a fuss out of nothing, my good man.Awale Ismailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15197677144409342318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186229413936536043.post-65786879994325211042016-01-25T17:35:25.294+04:002016-01-25T17:35:25.294+04:00Hey Awale, we've spoken on this before, but yo...Hey Awale, we've spoken on this before, but you still don't find a problem with your argument? At the moment there is no way to accurately discern the proportion of "Basal Eurasian" (BA) ancestry in any given population, without a useable BA genome; that would include groups in the Horn of Africa (HOA), accordingly, there is no way to tell how much of the BA in such populations arrived there in one or multiple pulses of gene-flow. If we were to assume that your numbers are correct, one can argue that Habeshas and Somalis are ~50% and ~40% Near Eastern, but to translate that into "Western Eurasian" (WE) is being disingenuous. Near Eastern acts more as a geographic code and is applicable to the "package" argument that you're making, while WE describes a specific ancestral population represented by the likes Western hunter-gatherers (WHG) and the UHG present in modern-SW Asians and to a lesser extent North Africans and Horners. BA is as distinct to WE than to East Eurasian populations like the Dai and Onge. So yeah Somalis might be ~40% Near Eastern but only a portion of that is Western Eurasian. I guess it comes down to the appropriate use of terminology. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com